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  • Shorty Thompson
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    2-door Volare' wagon

    Looking into building 1 , though 1 never existed to begin with . Got to the wagon first , but I wanna know if my approach is the correct one . I know the the angles of the "A" pilars are different from the 2 door . So what I'm asking is this . If I cut/drill out the spot welds on the top of the "A" pilars , door sills , floor pans , and roll out the from the firewall forward and roll in a 2-door firewall forward , will it work ? All comments and directions are welcome .

  • nonstick
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    Shame this never went further than this thread. It'd be neat to see done.

    It's not always about money, but it should always be about heart.

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  • gn300
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    Add t-tops and fix the roof window issue?

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  • Shorty Thompson
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    Originally posted by nonstick View Post
    *poke*
    :roflmao:

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  • nonstick
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    *poke*

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  • Shorty Thompson
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    I know I seen that when I had my coupes & wagon . Wished I had my old wagon back , it would've made a good starter/donnor . Loved that car .

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  • 270SE
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    Originally posted by Shorty Thompson View Post
    " R " , it's just sommething I had wanted to do for a long time . Leaving the framed doors on it and just connecting the the back doors to the rear quarter panels just doesn't look right to me . Sorry if I offend anyone , but it just looks dumb and done in a haphazzard way . Frankly , I'm better than that . I don't wanna chop the roofline , but I will if I have to .

    Btw , " R " . I already took into consideration a midsize Rampage aswell .
    It's all in the inside panels. If the inside panels look right, that's actually the way a 2 door wagon should look though it doesn't function as well as a 4 door or 2 door hardtop. They did that on the cheap cars for years before it fell out of "style" in the early '70s.

    But what you're thinking would be a better functional wagon, but will be a total rework. The back panels behind the coupe are meant for a shorter wheelbase and different roofline. Most of behind the door will have to change completely. Whether glass or metal fills the space above, it'll have to be custom too because of the roof line that has to be different.

    On F/J/Ms, coupes have a thicker B pillar and no door frames, sedans/wagons have a thinner B pillar and frames around the doors.

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  • volaredon
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    my thoughts were to use a 2 door doorjamb and then cut the old back door into a patch panel as needed to bridge the gap between the old "back door" jamb and the back of the new 2-door jamb.

    and you arent the only one whose wanted to do something like this for a long time

    and on the 1st page of this where you ask "this isnt framed"? I see you wanted to show a pic and all I get is a red "X"
    but no, my doors have no frame around the top edges of the glass, just seals to the A pillar and the roofline itself (the weatherstrips nobody can find) yes I remember the 4 doors and wagons though, having the door frame surround the glass
    Last edited by volaredon; 12-21-2012, 12:52 PM.

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  • Shorty Thompson
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    Originally posted by R-body_mopar View Post
    Can't see the picture! What is it??

    But my real question is this:

    Why would you want a 2dr. Volare wagon; it will cost ten times more to build one than it will ever be worth!
    " R " , it's just sommething I had wanted to do for a long time . Leaving the framed doors on it and just connecting the the back doors to the rear quarter panels just doesn't look right to me . Sorry if I offend anyone , but it just looks dumb and done in a haphazzard way . Frankly , I'm better than that . I don't wanna chop the roofline , but I will if I have to .

    Btw , " R " . I already took into consideration a midsize Rampage aswell .

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  • 270SE
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    I think the deal breaker would be if you can't do something that'll look good inside behind the front doors.

    Can't see why you couldn't fill where the back doors were with solid metal, tie it into the quarters, and swap to coupe doors with custom glass.

    It's been done before- but I'm not sure how most of them have done it.

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  • R-body_mopar
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    Originally posted by Shorty Thompson View Post


    This isn't framed ?

    Can't see the picture! What is it??

    But my real question is this:

    Why would you want a 2dr. Volare wagon; it will cost ten times more to build one than it will ever be worth!

    BUT, I remember back in the '60's, a local Oldsmobile/Chevrolet dealer sold a brand new 1965 Olds 442 post coupe, 400 engine, 4spd. trans. The new owner soon rolled it over and wrecked it, and the insurance company totaled the car. It remained at the dealership, wrecked, until one slow day, the body man decided to cut off the back of the roof, install a rear window from a '57 Olds 2dr., and a bed/tailgate from a wrecked El Camino. The dealership used it as a parts getter for years.........it was really slick, and went like a bat out of heck.......and surprised many a Chevy guy at the stoplights!! :yeah that: :ROFLMAO:

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  • Shorty Thompson
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    This isn't framed ?

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  • volaredon
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    Originally posted by Shorty Thompson View Post
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    Don , My understanding is that the angle is the key factor here . That's why I was gonna pull the whole front clip .


    You'll either have to chop the wagon roof to meet the coupe a pillars (which causes glass problems elsewhere) or leave the wagon pillars alone and get custom door glass.
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    Or take a closer look at the '80 Aspen . Knowing that the wagons are framed doors . I wondered if and coupe style bodys were as well . Now I find that '80's Aspens are framed too . Interesting I think .
    I have an 80 2 door; no framed glass....I do remember the 4 door and wagons being framed... over the years I have had a few 2 door F bodies, along with 5th avenue's and Diplomat 4 doors, and of course my Dad's old 79 Aspen wagon but I dont think we had any 2 of these cars at the same time (at least not of the different body styles, anyway) to compare to...

    I have never tried it, but have been told the door glass on a Diplomat wont fit an Aspen; I remember when I was shopping for doors for my Volare that the doors were the same between a 2 door of each, but that the glass was different between a 2 door F and a 2 door M;
    in fact one of the doors I have in the shed for my Volare, came from a 2 door M body; and the guy I bought the pair of doors from, claimed that this was why there was no door glass included.... that though the doors were identical the glass was not. man I gotta get back goin on that car; it has been too damn long since I bought them doors for them to stay sittin in the shed, I need to get them onto the car! (and everything else too)

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  • Shorty Thompson
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    ---------- Post added at 07:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shorty Thompson
    Don , My understanding is that the angle is the key factor here . That's why I was gonna pull the whole front clip .

    You'll either have to chop the wagon roof to meet the coupe a pillars (which causes glass problems elsewhere) or leave the wagon pillars alone and get custom door glass.
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    Or take a closer look at the '80 Aspen . Knowing that the wagons are framed doors . I wondered if and coupe style bodys were as well . Now I find that '80's Aspens are framed too . Interesting I think .

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  • DobaMark
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    Originally posted by volaredon View Post
    well then why are the door windows different between a LeBaron and a Volare? maybe same windshield but stood up straighter?? I never did check into it to see if a 4 door/wagon windshield was any different from a 2 door.... though I know the wagon windshield has less "rake" to it than a 2 door
    It is the height of the roof. Pretty obvious when the cars are side by side. Glass is "taller" in a sedan or wagon than a coupe. Windsheild is the same for F or M as long as the body style matches.

    There is almost 2 inches more headroom in a Volare front seat if it's a sedan or wagon compared to a coupe. Same measure,ents if you compare a Diplomat sedan or wagon to a Diplomat coupe.

    ---------- Post added at 07:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------

    Originally posted by Shorty Thompson View Post
    Don , My understanding is that the angle is the key factor here . That's why I was gonna pull the whole front clip .
    You'll either have to chop the wagon roof to meet the coupe a pillars (which causes glass problems elsewhere) or leave the wagon pillars alone and get custom door glass.

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