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I finally got all the stuff to build an 489 rear. I noticed on the factory pinion that there is a spacer/shim between the gear and big bearing. Do I need to transfer this over to the new gears? I went with a solid bushing and shims to replace the crush sleeves. I read somewhere that I install the pinion gear without shims and then measure from the saddle halve and subtract the number written on the pinion head to get what I need for shim thickness? I also wondered is it better to press the big bearing on? Is there any tricks to make this go simpler? Does anyone know a where a step by step is? I have looked around alot and cant seem to find any. Thanks
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What do you have to measure with? Chances are, you will need to use that thick shim that was under the stock pinion plus some others. Sometimes you need it, sometimes you don't. You just won't know until you stick it in there. I have several pinion bearings for the various rears that I honed for a slip fit for setting up and then when I get my number, I press on the permanent bearing. I also polish the bearing fit on the pinion until I get a good shine on it and then mic it for size. .001-.0015 is plenty tight and I have found a few that was at .005 tight! That's way too tight. There's plenty of info on the net on how to do this. Type in 'how to set up ring and pinion gears' Using google, bunches came up. Some use a tool made for setting them up (I do) and some just use the pattern method (have done that too) and use various ways to measure the pinion before sticking in the carrier/ring gear and bolting it all up. Ya need to measure the pinion as close as possible before sticking in the carrier because it's gets tiresome really fast if you just go by the pattern method with no way to measure to make sure you are at least in the ball park before sticking in the carrier and setting back lash.
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remember that the 489 has a colapsable spacer to work into the equation.
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I believe he's going with the solid spacer Don, to replace the crush sleeve....he said bushing tho but I knew what he meant.
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ya its a spacer, sorry. I have a friend with some depth mics and dial calipers. What I dont under stand is why have a slip fit bearing to check? Once I press the big one on all the shimming is on the end of the spacer right?I found a good article on mopar mag but it skips a lot.I will keep looking I just want to head any problems off before I fu-bar something. Thanks
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Pinion depth is controlled by the rear bearing spacing....the more shims that go between the pinion head and the bearing, the deeper the head goes into the ring gear. The shims that you use on the end of the spacer controls the amount of preload on the bearings and has no effect on pinion dept. With depth mics, you can check pinion depth but you need to make sure the bearing bores are the same in the saddles and the bearing caps. If they are different, you'll need to calculate the difference in order to adjust for it being off center. They are not always machined on perfect center and measuring that isn't real easy using the flat point of the depth mic spindle but you can get it if you measure the cap and saddle exactly in the center. If the depth mic has a rounded spindle end, then it's even better and easier. Did you get the old bearing off of the old pinion? If so and it's still in good shape, you can hone the bore on that and use it as your checking bearing. We called them 'dummy' bearings at work....but not because anyone was a dummy out there lol. If you do that, go ahead and install the new cup into the case. An old bearing in good shape will only be a few thousanths of an inch different than a new bearing and their tolerance is on the money. Bearings are made with a very close tolerance....especially non China made bearings. They are supposed to be but it's no telling what you will get with those. One more note, you can also place shims under the cup if you can find them. Done them that way before too and yes, I have a couple of dummy cups laying around lol
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I got ya. I just need to get things threw my thick skull Thanks again. I wished I had asked first. I destroyed the old bearing like an idiot.lol I see why they wait for you to respond to rear questions.I think I hope I got a start on it. I will try this week to get it done. I guess I need to bite the bullet and get another pinion bearing to hone, otherwise I am sure I will screw something up taking it off and on. Next rear you do you ought to take pics and do a tech, then charge donations to see it.lol Thanks again I am sure I will run into more problems so I hope I dont burn you out.
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